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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 20:47:17 GMT
This guy has given up his own time and significant finances for this fishery, to promote angling and conservation education to all back grounds, such as kids and those with learning difficulties in the future. I have been to the site and spoken to him face to face about his plans and he's a decent genuine guy wanting to make a difference, not an idiot. The stuff i've read on this thread irrespective of whether said Carp is 7lb or 107lb is absolutely shameful Dan you've hit the nail on the head! Yes this place is to promote fishing and for young ens etc, which makes the whole thing even worse! And if this guy is teaching angling and obviously into the sport etc then he shud clearly know that carp is no where near 27lb. The whole thing is pretty embarrassing given the circumstances ! Have you ever thought after days working voluntarily from before until after dark every day might mean he might make a mistake when then at home, when he's tired on an evening and then having to deal with the media side of his project? I spoke to him about this issue when i went down to the site and conceded to me a mistake had been made and the fish was nowhere near the originally acclaimed weight. All that has happened is a mistake has been made. These things happen. As i said, the consequent non stop slating and personal insults (from certain individuals) are shameful! The bloke is trying to do something for the community, of his own back, at his own expense, free gratis. Cut him some slack I've lost all faith i really have. I never would have thought 9 years ago when i got in to this 'hobby', it could cause so much hostility and downright nastiness. I've had enough of it. I know of lads that are hanging up their rods because of it and i can kind of see why they've done it Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year, that's me done.
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Post by Liptugga on Dec 1, 2013 20:50:31 GMT
It's called a mistake. Everyone makes them. and then come on calling us carp police and saying the fish is still over weight because the scales were checked by unnamed ex tackle shop owner and a member of the national fishing league. if it was a case of using his method of using a 2lb bag of sugar then thats laughable. i would have said use 15 x 2lb bags of sugar and measure the scales then or get a house brick and weigh that against a known set of accurate scales would be some were near 2lbs get a marker pen and write the weight on the brick get 15 of them on the scales and you would know how accurate the scales are to the odd ounce if the credabilty of my weight was in doubt i would get my scales checked and show the method used to check em. had we not said anything dan the 27lb lake record for a carp may well have stood for your lifetime you could have pulled out a 26lb and be told no the record is just over 27lb Now be honest Dan as a carp fisherman and the chance of a lake record would you be happy for that to not have been nipped in the bud at the start
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Post by nick88 on Dec 1, 2013 20:59:22 GMT
Lets see how long its goodbye for this time then Dan?
You seem to have an unhealthy knack of riling people, luckily im not one cos im not that way out but i can kinda see where folk are coming from.
Lets not get started on how many times iv seen this ' thats it for me' quote, but its more than once, which tells the story!
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Post by Liptugga on Dec 1, 2013 21:01:50 GMT
Dan you've hit the nail on the head! Yes this place is to promote fishing and for young ens etc, which makes the whole thing even worse! And if this guy is teaching angling and obviously into the sport etc then he shud clearly know that carp is no where near 27lb. The whole thing is pretty embarrassing given the circumstances ! Have you ever thought after days working voluntarily from before until after dark every day might mean he might make a mistake when then at home, when he's tired on an evening and then having to deal with the media side of his project? I spoke to him about this issue when i went down to the site and conceded to me a mistake had been made and the fish was nowhere near the originally acclaimed weight. All that has happened is a mistake has been made. These things happen. As i said, the consequent non stop slating and personal insults (from certain individuals) are shameful! The bloke is trying to do something for the community, of his own back, at his own expense, free gratis. Cut him some slack I've lost all faith i really have. I never would have thought 9 years ago when i got in to this 'hobby', it could cause so much hostility and downright nastiness. I've had enough of it. I know of lads that are hanging up their rods because of it and i can kind of see why they've done it Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year, that's me done. well no dan you havent done just yet You have labled my post as being shameful in your first post on the subject of this why was my post shameful...not all posts would be to my style but there big boys and can take it up with you i provided my reasons both in text and picturs as to his Mistake . now he makes a further mistake in not giving the correct weight but what i can only assume to be a best guess Why are my post shameful Dan
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 1, 2013 21:04:43 GMT
Carp fanatic may I point out to you if I may in a friendly way,,,,
I'd class my self and a fair few on here I've met including lip tugger a carp man,,,
As carp men anglers that are into it in a big way it's important we know the facts,,
I for one have a pet hate for anglers telling fibs about all things fishing related Anglers tales of course,,, and it means a lot when reading. Story article blog or whatever that we spend our time reading facts and facts only
You personally stated that this guy is no IDIOT and ok yes fair enough don't think anyone's said he is or he isn't no one said that,,, but but but anyone in there right mind noddy or not can tell that, that carp isn't double figures,,,
So to be misguided about this water and it's contents especially when Us carp men anglers spend lots of tine and money fishing new venues each year isn't good really ,,,,,,
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Post by Liptugga on Dec 1, 2013 22:29:00 GMT
Lets see how long its goodbye for this time then Dan? You seem to have an unhealthy knack of riling people, luckily im not one cos im not that way out but i can kinda see where folk are coming from. Lets not get started on how many times iv seen this ' thats it for me' quote, but its more than once, which tells the story! it would seem it is goodbye he has deleted his account ??
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 1, 2013 22:50:19 GMT
He will be back I can assure you lip tugger
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Post by 3x2 on Dec 2, 2013 18:31:39 GMT
Anyhoo - put yer handbags away for the moment ladies. That Carp was about 16 (lbs) a (good) few years ago.
Interesting that they drop a noticeable amount of fat once the 'freebies' (Boilies, Bread, Meat ...) stop. Looks like they drop the weight quite quickly and settle out to something the 'unadulterated' Pond can sustain. Lack of 'Spam' meethinks. There was another Carp in there, Hunch back, that I would guess is still in the upper teens despite his 'starvation diet' over the last few years.
'Hunch back' might be a lesson to us all in fish 'memory retention'. Back when the Pond was ICI, that fish was very rarely, if ever, banked. It would take all your 'freebies' but never touch your bait. Most of the others had forgotten 'last year' and so could be banked easily in the Spring - not 'Hunch back' though.
I would be impressed if someone were to get a Carp approaching 20 out of the pond but it has never failed to give me a good days fishing. Tench and Carp at dawn, Bream/Rudd/Perch/Roach all day and the occasional nice Pike. I've never been bored fishing the place. As Snowy will attest - there are also some very nice Chub (4+) if you know when and how to fish for them.
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Post by nick88 on Dec 2, 2013 19:25:22 GMT
That carp was 16lb? Was that not the carp know as shoulders? Thought that had grown legs and disappeared?
Surely a fish couldn't shrink my half its own size?
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 19:34:51 GMT
Nick it can't
Yes carp loose weight but to grow to 16lb then drop more than half it's weight not a chance it's bone structure would not reduce to that size
The carp would just loose 30 percent of its weight then die
It's a different fish it's never seen a 16 that's my honest opinion
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Post by nick88 on Dec 2, 2013 20:10:48 GMT
Thought as much. Im sure that said fish was stolen!!!!
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 20:16:43 GMT
Stolen dead on antiques roadshow stuffed,,, They don't loose HALF there weight they do fluctuate between seasons in a couple pounds down a couple pounds of course in relation to size This will of course fluctuate in grams because of size if it lost 1lbs it would be not there There organs would not handle such a weight loss
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 20:19:34 GMT
So we've had 67 lbs 47lbs 27lbs 13lbs 9 oz Then a 16lb This fish has more faces than Big Ben clock
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Post by 3x2 on Dec 2, 2013 21:00:51 GMT
Anyhoo - put yer handbags away for the moment ladies. So we've had 67 lbs 47lbs 27lbs 13lbs 9 oz Then a 16lb This fish has more faces than Big Ben clock If it is the same fish and it is now 13lbs then what is your problem with it once being 16lb? 16lb before the pond closed and its HP food sources stopped. For all I know that fish could be a first generation descendant of the fish I think it may be. If it is 13lb then it is likely the same fish if it is 7lb then more probably a direct descendant. Which bit of that are you not following? WILL CAPITALS HELP? Jeez you £uckers are hard work sometimes.
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 21:17:37 GMT
Jeez you £uckers are hard work sometimes. [/quote] (I've been banned for saying less than that) But I'll appease you anyways,,,, I have no problems none at all,,, But when I read posts and threads and so on and look at a picture and someone claims a 7lb carp is a 27lb carp lake record Then comes back and says it's a 13lb which it isn't i can assure u Then you come along 3x2 and say the exact same fish was once 16lb which it wasn't I can't help my self but to pass my opinion which I'm entitled to, So in effect what's being said here it that carp which was 27lb dropped to your 16lb claims then dropped to the owners 13lb claim then for fact from phot IS A GAUSRANTEED 7lb-8lb max it's dropped 2 twice it's body weight Which is not possible it's skeleton and organs would just not handle that drop in size and weight,,,, Got you planks of wood are hard sometimes The big deal here is yes this guy is doing wonders of the world redirecting a fishery and helping kids and so on But my first teaching would be I must tell the truths about my fish catches,,, Now I would show the children first of all fish handling safety of the fish respect of the welfare of the fish and all things nature then how to handle said fish and weigh it CORRECTLY. Errrrrr basics of fishing really Jimmy
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Post by nick88 on Dec 2, 2013 21:53:54 GMT
Probably for the first n last time i agree 100% jimmeny cricket
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 21:58:14 GMT
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Post by nick88 on Dec 2, 2013 22:04:45 GMT
Well sometimes i suppose, the annoying thing is jimmy i do think you are a good angler but sometimes you jus get ppl the wrong way, im not one but i can see how ppl are riled.
Maybe thats why u and carpfantastic got on so well lol
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Post by Liptugga on Dec 2, 2013 22:09:29 GMT
Anyhoo - put yer handbags away for the moment ladies. So we've had 67 lbs 47lbs 27lbs 13lbs 9 oz Then a 16lb This fish has more faces than Big Ben clock If it is the same fish and it is now 13lbs then what is your problem with it once being 16lb? 16lb before the pond closed and its HP food sources stopped. For all I know that fish could be a first generation descendant of the fish I think it may be. If it is 13lb then it is likely the same fish if it is 7lb then more probably a direct descendant. Which bit of that are you not following? WILL CAPITALS HELP? Jeez you £uckers are hard work sometimes. if you recognise the fish then i would go with it being a 7lb direct descendent rather than the same fish of 16lb
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 22:15:43 GMT
Nick88 you haven't met me mate Meet me then make the judgement as 100s have there's 3-4 topps met me and don't like me for whatever reasons The rest make assumptions of me from forum personas I like a laugh and a joke and a good time But at the front line of all that I go out to bank fish and enjoy it Those that don't get me lead different ways and life's to how I do that's fine I get it We can't all be loved I'm not hated as much as David Cameron so I'm happy inside like a little ikea table
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Post by snowman on Dec 2, 2013 22:23:55 GMT
Been observing this thread from a distance. Fond memories of the venue and as it goes it rates as possibly my favourite small venue in Huddersfield. To some the venues carp apart from a few mug fish were difficult to catch. With a bit of observation and stealth they were catchable. They may have not been the biggest but they soon made up for it character.
Jimmy it's hard to believe but the biggest resident in the venue was a fish commonly known as 'Shoulders'. I had her twice, 15.14 and 16.02 both times inches away from the near bank. In the venue in 2005/2006 season there was a max of 18 fish. They went 6lb to 12lb. Shoulders was the only bigun, there was only 3 more different doubles in the place.
As Nick rightly states Shoulders and a few others grew legs and walked, destination unknown, some say other fisheries, others reckon for the pot. It's a shame really, like most I wish they stayed put. I have photos pre digital of most of the carp from the spot, but for the life in me I can't remember where they are!.
Now the fish that was originally claimed at 27lb weighed 7.02 two years ago. I know for a fact last year there is only 8-9 carp left in the pond. Lookers they are too. Even one of the doubles remain, it's that old it looks prehistoric. For nostalgic reasons I weighed and photographed all.
I for one hope that this venue remains as natural as possible, if it does I may fish it again, makes a change from scrambling other a rather large fence and avoiding infra red cameras!!!.
Snowy.
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 22:33:30 GMT
Hey snowy I'm all for these old battle warrior carp I could show you some pictures or 40 year old plus carp I've caught that are almost jet black and would make your mouth water mate Only doubles lower and upper but these are experiences extremely wise hard to catch beauty's all had there fair share of seeing the times go bye I prefer them to a big silly Croatian 50lb carp on steroids and god knows what they just mean so much more I'll post 3 good pics for your enjoyment maybe you can relate to such beauty
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Post by nick88 on Dec 2, 2013 22:34:01 GMT
Im glad thats been cleared up!!
And jimmy... I do like ikea so you never know lol
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 22:36:27 GMT
18lb9oz pure two tone perhaps 35-40year old Old warrior
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 22:38:18 GMT
14lbs or pure experience Chinese strain of carp bread for the dinner table stunted in growth again 30year plus
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 22:40:36 GMT
13lb
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 2, 2013 22:42:07 GMT
15lb ish maybe can't remember exactly untill I check records But you ever seen one as black
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Post by 3x2 on Dec 3, 2013 1:02:18 GMT
Or even one of the same batch that just didn't reach double figures. I will, when I have time, rummage about on old drives because I'm fairly sure I still have a pic of the larger fish. You will immediately spot the similarities. My point was only that a very similar Carp (and Carp are fairly distinctive) in that water was around 16lb last time I had it on the bank. I would be very impressed by a near thirty from there but don't think it is at all realistic. Mid/upper teens would be a fishery record and 'Hunch back', if it has avoided the EE xmas pot over the years (which I doubt), would be the one to set the record. You seem to be very active for a man so banned. In any case, I stick with my original observation. You are still hard work
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Post by Jimmy Silverfish FULLA on Dec 3, 2013 7:16:49 GMT
I seem to be getting this hard work lark often lol ,,,,,,,, I'm not hard work I like debate that's all,,, And if something's not quite right then I'll of course cone out and say it I a polite way of course It's not just me if u look back lol Anyways look forward to the photos
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Post by Spudgun on Dec 3, 2013 8:40:56 GMT
Steve, here's a link to a old thread back when a few of us used to fish the place regularly, plenty of others but you have to look around about page 70 of the West Yorkshire thread. yorksfishing.proboards.com/thread/1782?page=1
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