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Post by peterpiker on Dec 10, 2007 22:43:01 GMT
I read in a paper the other day that the government are planning to introduce a sea fishing licence for anglers.The cost will be £25.00 for adults & £5.00 for children.The licence will cover people fishing from the shore or a boat using rod and line.The money raised from the sale of licences could be used to improve conditions for sea anglers,including setting aside areas of coastline where net fishing is banned it stated.  |
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Post by 3x2 on Dec 11, 2007 13:39:18 GMT
Unlike the freshwater license the benefits of a sea license, bag limits and other proposals are not so clear. It's difficult to see what difference any changes to coastal angling would make if you still have huge commercial trawlers scooping up millions of tons of fish further out to sea. Seems a bit like imposing a closed season to anglers on our rivers but still allowing commercial scale netting of Barbel and Chub right off their spawning areas. The government have had half a century of warnings and data about declining fish stocks and have done nothing. (as measured by the continued decline) It's difficult to believe that they are suddenly about to change all that. A million+ Sea anglers each paying £25 comes to err.. 25 million pounds - just a drop in the ocean. What exactly are they going to do with the money that would make the slightest difference to the Sea? I'm just a casual sea angler and if it were enforced I would probably just stop fishing. It simply wouldn't be worth it for the 2 or 3 times a year I get to fish. ____________________________________________________ You have to laugh when DEFRA makes noise about improving the coast and recreational sea angling then some noddy elsewhere in government thinks this is a great idea .. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7135930.stm"Mr Hutton conceded that having a wind installation every half-mile around the coast was "going to change our coastline"." Welcome to our green future.  |
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Post by jerseyman on Dec 11, 2007 13:51:22 GMT
Don't get me started, i know , i am in a difficult position, considering i sell fish for a living, but you have to wonder about the UK government when it allows Belgian beamers[very big trawlers] into certain parts of the UK 6ml limit,when UK boats are banned, because they haven't been fishing there long enough to get historic fishing rights,thats just one classic example, maybe somebody from the east coast area can give you a better in depth idea, but i can unhappily state, no matter what the UK decides, the ********* **** ********* people who run the EU will just let the foreign boats do what they like anyhow, and your [and ours probably] £25 million will go towards sending leaflets to Iceland on how to make ice cream or some cobblers.
only last week ,the new labour minister for fisheries, threw out the expected increase in the Bass limit, citing pressure from the UK inshore fleet, cobblers, the French have been catching bass by the thousands of tons for years by pair trawling ,but the French when approached just said "non" , so the UK,instead of pushing for an EU wide agreement, backed off cos Brown is after points and he needs backing to get is own agenda and it doesn't include fishing, never will, because the UK governments can always trade our fishing rights for what ever they want.
If they really were serious about doing something ,lets start by the UK government pushing for a ban on the industrial fishing for sand eel ,poor cod, pout etc, that goes into animal feed. price of your bacon roll would go up, but you have to start somewhere. and why not at the bottom.
Figures published last year stated something like 2.5 million tons of fish for fishmeal were landed in the EU, WITH A PERMITTED BY CATCH OF 10% OF UNDERSIZED OTHER SPECIES, and you wonder why there's nowt left!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 14:17:08 GMT
Graham, why would the price of a bacon roll rise? lost me there!
I for one think a license is a good idea if it allows all fishing bodies to join together, at least we would have more political clout which is what is sorely missed in all forms of angling except salmon/trout.... wonder why that is........
Dan
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Post by jerseyman on Dec 11, 2007 14:29:24 GMT
last figure for fishmeal about 60% of EU produced fishmeal goes to pig industry. mainly Denmark and Holland. both these countries have been semi supportive of UK on various issues, so maybe thats why the UK is reluctant to wield a big stick over the industrial fishing with countries who could potentially have an effect on issues the UK government actually give a  about |
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Post by 3x2 on Dec 11, 2007 15:25:31 GMT
Graham, why would the price of a bacon roll rise? lost me there! Fish -> Fishmeal -> Pig -> Bacon -> Sandwich |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2007 15:30:17 GMT
well not being a pig farmer I didn't know that they fed pigs fishmeal!
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Post by jerseyman on Dec 17, 2007 10:29:09 GMT
mind ,i have just thought about this one, what effect has the tonnage of pellets we use ,had on the sea fish stocks globally?, i know they are rarely produced from white fish, anchovies or sardine type fish, form s america normally, but it has to stop some where  |
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Post by 3x2 on Mar 19, 2008 12:27:36 GMT
Unless it is an elaborate wind-up it looks like the Sea Licence has been dropped from the plans for the moment |
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Post by danhowe on Mar 19, 2008 14:13:20 GMT
good ..... if they introduce it i'll probably never be able to sea fish again.
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Post by DaveMac on Mar 19, 2008 15:52:24 GMT
A sea licence would be a good idea provided sea anglers get something from the cash. This will never happen. In any case who would police the scheme, the EA can't police the rivers and other inland waters as it is, except occasionally having a blitz in various areas. Adding thousands of miles of coastline isn't going to help reduce their workload. They would focus on areas where there is salmon fishing i.e estuaries after all most of their expenditure already goes on protecting salmon for big money interests.
Dave
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Post by 3x2 on Mar 19, 2008 16:01:53 GMT
(From the story) Mr. Salter who is the Labour spokesman for angling, said that he remained committed to the principle of a rod licence for all forms of recreational fishing but added: “Let’s first get in place the conservation measures necessary to stop the over exploitation by the commercial sector and give Britain’s sea anglers a chance of a decent days sport before we ask them to pay to catch fish that might not be there.” (stunned face) |
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Post by BOF on Mar 19, 2008 17:37:39 GMT
Oh my god a sensible idea from a politician! Whatever next ! Equally stunned face. BOF 
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Post by danhowe on Mar 20, 2008 15:28:49 GMT
HAHA .... Only cause he's an angler himself and probably disagrees with half the rules that are already in place. All he can do is voice opinions. He cant physically change things
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Post by scrivy on Oct 21, 2008 18:22:42 GMT
Maybe they should combine the two current liscences (game + coarse) and include it with anew sea liscense in one price of say £25-30. This would save anglers paying twice, and would also make it a lot simpler. Whats the point f liscences at the moment anyway. I've never been checked for mine in 5 years of fishing and I know so many people that never buy one. If we had more baliffs ten it would work, but at present it's pointless
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Post by will on Oct 21, 2008 19:17:33 GMT
think the ssea fishing licence idea has been s ed now, but not 100% sure |
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Post by yorkiman on Oct 22, 2008 1:11:53 GMT
Just think ? if you were a free man and you had a choice, to buy or not to buy anything based upon merit and the value of your money i.e. A Fishing Licence...
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Post by shaunshaun39 on Oct 22, 2008 17:11:37 GMT
lets face it this goverment is known for its stealth taxes and this would have been just another tax, oh and im not just anti labour i hate the tories even more.
shaun
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