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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 18:59:48 GMT
I have asked others to contact me from a lake forum and these are some of the questions I have collated.
I would then be asking why there isn't a 3 - rod license available at a price between the 2 rod and 4 rod...?
Another asks.
Why does the licence run from 1st April to 31st March.
Why cannot it run for 12 months from the month we purchase it?
Another asks .
If I only fish rivers and there is a closed season why do I have to pay for a full 12 months when I can only fish for about 9 of them?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 19:10:59 GMT
If someone shows an interest in angling and is bought some tackle for Christmas why cannot they buy a "short" licence for say 3 months rather than a full licence which they can only use for 3 months before having to purchase another one?
This seems counter productive and off putting to a newcomer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 9:26:18 GMT
Another asks:
I ask them why they state " it's hard for members of our team to get online as most of our work is done on the ground" when in 15 years of fishing commercials, angling club waters, syndis, canals and rivers I've only ever seen anyone who represents them once. It was the 1st of April about 5 years ago at a small local day ticket water. They walked round to make sure everyone had remembered to renew there licence. At least 2 people I knew there had forgotten to. They told them to get it asap and then left. And that is my only ever sight or sound of anyone to do with the E A. It makes no wonder so many people chance it with no licence. They should stop spending money on rubbish tv adverts and get out amongst the anglers.
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Post by BOF on Mar 4, 2011 12:49:06 GMT
Good questions tomeluk. Any answers from the EA? BOF  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 18:30:57 GMT
Good questions tomeluk. Any answers from the EA? BOF Not expecting any until 10th March Bof. I don`t suppose that we will be blessed on the forum on the 10th with any policy decision makers from the EA. The hope is that by putting the questions early it gives them time to take the questions forward to the powers that be in Whitehall or wherever they are hiding. I remember coming on the forum in a debate about this earlier this year and saying that if the angling fraternity were to create a collective voice we would have to be listened to as our angling contributions to the coffers of the exchequer are very significant given the amounts of money we spend on Bait, Tackle, Licences, Day Tickets and Annual Subscriptions not forgetting the petrol we use in getting to venues. We have now been given (at a low level) that opportunity but it is no good us sitting down for a couple of hours with agency officials who are normally out in the field. We need access to decision makers and rule changers and one way to try to get that is to ask questions that field officers cannot answer so that they have to push our questions further up the line of command. |
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Post by yorkiman on Mar 4, 2011 18:48:38 GMT
Can thi askem, if thy can, meke changes into law...........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 20:52:36 GMT
Can thi askem, if thy can, meke changes into law........... It would be nice to think that we can reach those who can make changes in laws. Unfortunately they are politicians and as such are well versed in the art of question avoidance.  |
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Post by beachball on Mar 4, 2011 21:57:01 GMT
Good questions tomeluk. Any answers from the EA? BOF Not expecting any until 10th March Bof. I don`t suppose that we will be blessed on the forum on the 10th with any policy decision makers from the EA. The hope is that by putting the questions early it gives them time to take the questions forward to the powers that be in Whitehall or wherever they are hiding. I remember coming on the forum in a debate about this earlier this year and saying that if the angling fraternity were to create a collective voice we would have to be listened to as our angling contributions to the coffers of the exchequer are very significant given the amounts of money we spend on Bait, Tackle, Licences, Day Tickets and Annual Subscriptions not forgetting the petrol we use in getting to venues. We have now been given (at a low level) that opportunity but it is no good us sitting down for a couple of hours with agency officials who are normally out in the field. We need access to decision makers and rule changers and one way to try to get that is to ask questions that field officers cannot answer so that they have to push our questions further up the line of command. Two right bud hense my question on budget cuts regards Malc. |
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Post by envagencyyorkshire on Mar 10, 2011 12:27:18 GMT
Q: We have now been given (at a low level) that opportunity but it is no good us sitting down for a couple of hours with agency officials who are normally out in the field. We need access to decision makers and rule changers and one way to try to get that is to ask questions that field officers cannot answer so that they have to push our questions further up the line of command. A: High level meetings are now taking place between the Minister for Natural Environment and Fisheries, public sector organisations (EA, Cefas, Defra, Natural England) and non-governmental groups (including Rivers Trusts, The Angling Trust, Wild Trout Trust and many others). The first meeting was held last month and covered a wide range of fisheries interests. The first tangible outcome of the process is that Defra are to review the licensing system for the shooting of cormorants. Full notes from the first summit are available on the Angling Trust’s website anglingtrust.net/news.asp?section=29&itemid=717. |
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Post by envagencyyorkshire on Mar 10, 2011 12:28:30 GMT
Q: Why isn’t there isn't a 3 - rod license available at a price between the 2 rod and 4 rod...?
A: To offer a wide range of licences means that we have to have a more complex and expensive system to administer them and this results in more cost. Prior to the introduction of the national rod licence in 1992 we had over 102 different licences available compared to just 13 now.
When we brought in the national licence we consulted fully on proposals and decided that the 2 and 4 rod licence approach offered the best value for money for most anglers. Whilst we recognise that some (particularly specimen) anglers use 3 rods, for them to have a special licence to cover this would not mean we could offer it at a reduced cost due to the extra administration involved.
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Post by envagencyyorkshire on Mar 10, 2011 12:42:50 GMT
Q: Why does the licence run from 1st April to 31st March? Why cannot it run for 12 months from the month we purchase it?
A: This is something the Agency has considered on a number of occasions. The main reason for not changing is that government funding operates on a financial year basis. To change to a 12 month licence from the date of issue would mean that in the first year we would lose money. Currently government rules don’t allow us to carry money from one financial year to another and so for the transition year we simply would not have the funds to cover the work we do.
Q: If I only fish rivers and there is a closed season why do I have to pay for a full 12 months when I can only fish for about 9 of them?
A: A rod licence allows you to fish anywhere in the country subject to permission from the land owner and local / national byelaws. While you may choose to fish purely on rivers you do have the option to fish on still waters or canals if you so wish. Again please refer back to the comment about administering new types of licences.
Q: If someone shows an interest in angling and is bought some tackle for Christmas why cannot they buy a "short" licence for say 3 months rather than a full licence which they can only use for 3 months before having to purchase another one?
A: The more licences we have the more complex and expensive system of administration becomes, Introducing another licence would increase the costs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 13:06:48 GMT
Q: Why does the licence run from 1st April to 31st March? Why cannot it run for 12 months from the month we purchase it? A: This is something the Agency has considered on a number of occasions. The main reason for not changing is that government funding operates on a financial year basis. To change to a 12 month licence from the date of issue would mean that in the first year we would lose money. Currently government rules don’t allow us to carry money from one financial year to another and so for the transition year we simply would not have the funds to cover the work we do. Q: If I only fish rivers and there is a closed season why do I have to pay for a full 12 months when I can only fish for about 9 of them? A: A rod licence allows you to fish anywhere in the country subject to permission from the land owner and local / national byelaws. While you may choose to fish purely on rivers you do have the option to fish on still waters or canals if you so wish. Again please refer back to the comment about administering new types of licences. Q: If someone shows an interest in angling and is bought some tackle for Christmas why cannot they buy a "short" licence for say 3 months rather than a full licence which they can only use for 3 months before having to purchase another one? A: The more licences we have the more complex and expensive system of administration becomes, Introducing another licence would increase the costs. Licences to run for 12 months from date of purchase. You say; The main reason for not changing is that government funding operates on a financial year basis. Your argument on this does not seem to stand up to scrutiny It seems to work OK for the government with our road tax. |
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Post by envagencyyorkshire on Mar 10, 2011 13:14:15 GMT
Hi. It's the change-over from one system to another that would cause a problem, as there would be a shortfall in funding during the transition. Jerome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 13:24:15 GMT
Hi. It's the change-over from one system to another that would cause a problem, as there would be a shortfall in funding during the transition. Jerome. The government could cover that with interim payments and claw back as licence fees came in. I also cannot see why a short licence from Christmas to 31st March can make much difference. Costs could be got back by charging a third of the cost of a full year licence rather that a quarter of the cost. |
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