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Post by scrivy on Jan 7, 2009 19:28:14 GMT
I think that sea angling can learn a lot from course angling. I used to do a lot of sea fishing and still do but now I do mostly course. Having done both aspects of the sport I feel that there are certain things that could be transferred to sea angling that haven't been.
For example, in course fishing you would never dream of just blasting a float or ledger as far as you could out into the lake. You'd look for features, depths etc. This is something that you rarely see in sea angling and if we spent time looking at low tide for gullies and rocks to cast to, then I'm sure we'd do a lot better. This is proved by anglers that do do this, achieving great results.
Another thing is bait presentation. Course anglers think very carefully about how their bait will look in the water (depth etc) and this is important in sea fishing aswell. Also , fish care. I often see sea anglers hurling fish (especially dogfish) back into the sea like it's the Olympic shot putt. This needs to stop. And course angling has more or less banned barbed hooks. Why can't sea fishing do the same? If pressure is kept on the line then fish will not be lost and it makes it a lot easier when unhooking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 19:40:42 GMT
Good point scrivy. I am the other way round to you...coarse angler who has started sea fishing more nowadays. I Agree with most of your comment, especially the bit on fish care. The only thing i can't agree with you on is the use of barbed over barbless in sea fishing. One golden rule of sea angling that i was first taught is to always let a bite develop, to give the fish time to comsume the bait and for your hook to get a good hold....however if we used barbless, surely you'd have to strike at bites constantly? A barbelss hook would not stay in in most cases if you allowed a bite to develop as the fish would have the bait, and shed the hook quickly, so with regards to rig efficiency and hooking potential, if your minus a barbed hook, this would be decreased. The only pro of using a barbless hook is to ease unhooking as you rightly suggest but otherwise i feel it would degrade catch rates. Barbed hooks are not as bad as they are made out to be. They do have their place in coarse angling too...mainly in specimen fishing...they are actually better for the fish than barbless hooks. Good subject this...i look forward to seeing others views. Dan  |
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Post by scrivy on Jan 7, 2009 19:47:08 GMT
I see waht your saying. Maybe cruhed barbs or something?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 19:52:37 GMT
Pinching Barbs doesn't make any difference...put a barbed hook in you're jumper, it wont come out. Put a Barbed hook with the barb pinched into you're jumper, it won't come out. Dan |
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Post by marcelxl on Jan 7, 2009 21:32:21 GMT
Pinching Barbs doesn't make any difference...put a barbed hook in you're jumper, it wont come out. Put a Barbed hook with the barb pinched into you're jumper, it won't come out. Dan I see your point but this is more down to the fibres in fabric not a membrane like skin, a proper crushed barb is always better. Try the same experiment in a balloon or similar |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 22:01:00 GMT
You're right ...better but still not ideal or the same as a barbless hook. Like i've said...for me if you sea fish with a barbless hook i feel it would effect my catch rate, so i think i'd stick to barbed hooks...a lot of the fish i catch get killed anyway. Any size whiting and flatties i get go home with me to accompany chips, salt and vineger. Dan |
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Post by marcelxl on Jan 7, 2009 22:05:37 GMT
I`m actually completely in the squeezed down barbs camp as I feel its not effected my catch to land rates, I`ve squeezed the barbs on all my lures even the ones I go to sea and in tropical climes with and I feel comfortable with that.
The only thing i try to leave `em on is trout flies, them speckled american things leave the water and spit your hooks for fun!
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Post by 3x2 on Jan 8, 2009 17:04:10 GMT
Whatever makes you think that sea anglers don't know exactly where their bait is landing?
Depth and bait presentation may have their place at times in the sea but fishing a rough North Sea for Cod in the depths of winter - give me my 6/0 loaded with Crabs every time.
When did that happen?
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Post by scrivy on Jan 9, 2009 17:30:46 GMT
There isn't an all-out ban on barbed jooks, but almost all lakes and a lot club owned river sections have introduced bans. It is very rare nowadays that a lake allows barbed hooks. As for the crushed barbs,I believe that they are definitely easier to removed from fish.
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Post by Pikeman23 on Jan 10, 2009 12:30:25 GMT
in the sea i dont really think it matters were you throw your bait cause if there isnt fish there you aint gonna catch and chucking fish back isnt as easy in the sea as it is in ponds the edge of a pond can be deep but you cant stand at the edge of the water and put a fish on the sand you have to chuck it to make sure it lands in deep enough water to swim away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2009 13:53:27 GMT
I visited a new lake, opening in the summer yesterday and you're only allowed barbed hooks Dan |
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Post by scrivy on Jan 10, 2009 18:58:26 GMT
In the sea i dont really think it matters were you throw your bait cause if there isnt fish there you aint gonna catch
But if you cast to a feature then it is more likely that there will be fish there, giving you a chance of catching.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 12:24:32 GMT
Barbless hooks in large sizes cause more damage to carps mouths than barbed hooks as they penetrate much deeper. On lakes where I have been made to use barbless hooks I have had fish where all you can see is the eye of the hook making it a lot harder to remove than any barbed hook. Most specimen waters in the south insist on barbed hooks go to any water that has barbless hook only rule and you will find carp with bad mouth damage. Plus with amount of crabs and rockling on east coast I would want a barb to help hold the bait on
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2009 14:01:20 GMT
With regards to the barbless hooks being worse for carp, i have to agree with you 100%. However I have never ever found a barbless hook harder to remove than a barbed so disagree with you here. Barbless hooks always come out more easily... the majority of the time they fall out in the net with carp and with silvers a little dab with the old disgorger gets them out much easier than barbed hooks come out. Dan |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2009 15:21:06 GMT
Im talking about size 10 and bigger not little match hooks and I have had them like I say where the only bit of hook you can see is the eye making really hard to remove as theres nothing to get the forceps on to. If the fish is hooked in the usual manner then yes a barbless hook is easyer to remove. The reason a lot of waters have banned barbless hooks is due to the extra penetration and double hooking that it causes leaving holes that will never heal up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 21:42:39 GMT
you will see that when your seafishing that if u use and unbarberd hook whilst ur winding and pumping u get ur lead on to the surface then use the wave to bring it in on the surf if you have a fish on when the wave breaks it will take the hook out if unbarbed give it ago and you will see
kieran:)
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