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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 11:38:53 GMT
Given the regular concerns expressed by anglers regarding the activities of our now resident Eastern European immigrants and their catch to eat mentality. Do or can Agency Officers get about in the communities and educate these people into the ways and laws of Britain with regards to our Catch Photo Treat and Release policies?
We have to accept that catch to eat is part of their culture and without re education they will continue to practice it.
We know from past experience, over many years, that an influx of immigrants will naturally stick together as a community, until its individuals gains the confidence to stand alone. So now is probably the time that they are most reachable in numbers.
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Post by pontyowl on Aug 28, 2011 18:41:25 GMT
i can understand where youre coming from with this post mate, but how do you teach them?
I also have to say i work with 2 polish guys who go river pike fishing every week,they always catch and release have all the gear and a licence. Though not all english know rules and have licenses so may be it should be across the board?
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Post by tillydaz on Aug 28, 2011 18:50:58 GMT
i was fishing over the weekend and there was 2 polish fellas fishing 4 bream on the float rods upon actually talking to them they was pretty decent lads that like ourselfs just wanted to fish 4 enjoyment. after they caught a few smaller roach and things they went on to live bait 4 pike (this is allowed on the lake) and caught 2 ,they was going to put them in a keepnet but when we told them it wasnt allowed they were happy to have a photo and release them if only every1 of them was willing to be shown how we do things over here then maybe just maybe every1 would get along on the banks and not think "hey up they have come 4 their tea".....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 20:39:35 GMT
i can understand where youre coming from with this post mate, but how do you teach them? I also have to say i work with 2 polish guys who go river pike fishing every week,they always catch and release have all the gear and a licence. Though not all english know rules and have licenses so may be it should be across the board? I think I have suggested how they can be taught. I also said it is part of their culture. I am simply trying to suggest how we, collectively, can possibly make things better. I do accept that re licences we brits are probably the worst offenders but we are a majority and also that is not what I am about in this particular post. I didn`t mention otters either. Lets address one problem at a time. It simplifies the answer to one as opposed to many. |
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Post by pontyowl on Aug 29, 2011 9:10:20 GMT
i just thought its a bit vague m8,how do you "get about in the communities and educate these people into the ways and laws of Britain with regards to our Catch Photo Treat and Release policies?" Dont get me wrong like i said above not having a go just making point that its not as easy as you first thing and everything costs money unfortunatley these days,that the enviroment agency seem to be getting little of theses days. Do you mean something like once a month a meeting in a community centre etc with members of e.a inviting eastern europeans to attend?
I have to agree its a general culture thing but too many people jump gun and tar everyone with same brush,not saying you are either by the way. that was the point i was trying to make above mate with the 2 lads from work.
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Post by baitkitchen on Aug 29, 2011 9:50:57 GMT
i have a fishery, and here what you are saying not all are the same ,one of my members caught four eastern europeans on my water last sunday.
all had a telliscopic rod each a loaf of bread and a plastic bag.
the problem is the lack of intrest from the police or the enviroment officers.
not one check has been made on my water in 18 months,
this is pure theft fish cost alot of money nothing will change because nothing will be done even if they are caught.
on the other foot you give them a good hideing and then see how quick the police are to arrest you.
eastern europeans know that what they are doing is wrong just like anybody that fishes a water without a licence.
IGNORANCE IS NOT A EXCUSE
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 9:56:15 GMT
i just thought its a bit vague m8,how do you "get about in the communities and educate these people into the ways and laws of Britain with regards to our Catch Photo Treat and Release policies?" Dont get me wrong like i said above not having a go just making point that its not as easy as you first thing and everything costs money unfortunatley these days,that the enviroment agency seem to be getting little of theses days. Do you mean something like once a month a meeting in a community centre etc with members of e.a inviting eastern europeans to attend? I have to agree its a general culture thing but too many people jump gun and tar everyone with same brush,not saying you are either by the way. that was the point i was trying to make above mate with the 2 lads from work. There are people who already work in these communities and there are many active groups formed and forming within the new immigrant population. The voluntary sector whilst suffering from a lack of funding has details of some of these groups as does the local authorities and many grant giving organisations have details of groups through grant applications. Churches are a source of information too. You really would be surprised at the number of organised get togethers and meetings that take place within the communities. I take it from your handle that you are from the Wakefield and District? The district of Wakefield covers a vast area Wakey, Cas, Ponty, Fev, Normanton, Hemsworth, South Kirby, Moorthorpe etc.etc. and one of the community help organisations in the area is called V.A.W.D. www.wakefieldvcs.org/vcs-dir/ They have lists of hundreds of community groups. A voluntary organisation in the area that had to close down at the start of the year when it lost its funding was called VOX. They still have a website running and a list of their groups can be accessed by clicking the link below. www.voxnet.org.uk/showcase/default.asp?idno=133I am sure there will be similar organisations in other areas of Yorkshire so it is a fairly easy task to locate groups. You will I am sure recognise that my question was intended to be a suggestion as to how possibly to reach and teach those who catch to eat. Of course it may be that the suggestion is already being used, in which case it would be nice for anglers to know that efforts to disuade Eastern Europeans from the practice of catch to eat are being made by the powers that be. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 10:19:02 GMT
i have a fishery, and here what you are saying not all are the same ,one of my members caught four eastern europeans on my water last sunday. all had a telliscopic rod each a loaf of bread and a plastic bag. the problem is the lack of intrest from the police or the enviroment officers. not one check has been made on my water in 18 months, this is pure theft fish cost alot of money nothing will change because nothing will be done even if they are caught. on the other foot you give them a good hideing and then see how quick the police are to arrest you. eastern europeans know that what they are doing is wrong just like anybody that fishes a water without a licence. IGNORANCE IS NOT A EXCUSE Hi Mark. We have to accept that many of these people will get away with their activities by pleading ignorance but if education takes place within the communities then in some instances it becomes self policing as one bad apple taints the whole barrel. Also it removes the ignorant plea as "a legitimate excuse" We can try, or shrug and do nothing, but if we do nothing then we cannot complain when things are abused. |
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Post by baitkitchen on Aug 29, 2011 11:02:37 GMT
i myself do not think this will make any differance,allthough anything is worth a try,
people no right from wrong and will allways do what they want to do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 11:46:58 GMT
i myself do not think this will make any differance,allthough anything is worth a try, people no right from wrong and will allways do what they want to do. If we then accept that nothing much can be done we then have to accept the fact that The Agency is faced with a thankless, no win task. We can hardly then criticise the EA (as some do) for supposedly doing nothing. Education would at least cut down the excuses and perhaps enable stiffer penalties to be imposed when people are caught taking fish to eat. |
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Post by baitkitchen on Aug 29, 2011 13:08:25 GMT
i agree totaly with your last stiffer penaltys is the way and more funding for more ea balliffs .
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Post by envagencyyorkshire on Sept 8, 2011 12:11:35 GMT
Tomeluk.
I think it’s worth remembering that under our byelaws it is legal to take a certain number of fish from our rivers. In Yorkshire the number of fish you can take are as follows:
On rivers you may not take any coarse fish, smelt, shad or eels except that you may take:-
Pike – one fish per day of less than 65cm
Grayling – two fish per day of between 30 and 38cm
Barbel, chub, common bream, common carp, crucian carp, dace, perch, pike, roach, rudd, silver bream, smelt or tench (including any
hybrids of these species) – up to 15 fish per day of less than 20cm.
On stillwaters and canals you may only take freshwater fish with the written permission of the fishery owner or occupier. (NB canals are
defined as those canals where the coarse fish close season has been removed).
It is an offence to kill or take away any trout of less than 23cm. The length is measured from the tip of the snout to the fork of the tail.
We agree however that education is the best way to tackle the minority of anglers who are taking fish from our waters to eat. However as we’ve said before we are only a small team and we simply don’t have the time to be able to go to all of the community groups and talk to them directly.
What we have been doing is taking our posters out about needing a rod licence and returning fish after capture to Eastern European supermarkets.
I noticed from your posts that you’ve done a bit of research into where these groups are. As this is pretty new to all of us and we’re by no means the experts, how would you spread the word? If we’re suggesting going and talking to these groups how would you feel about getting involved in that with some support from us?
Peter Mischenko
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Post by envagencyyorkshire on Sept 8, 2011 12:12:01 GMT
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Post by baitkitchen on Sept 8, 2011 12:30:08 GMT
thanks for that pete look forward to seeing your officers on my banking.
regards mark
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 12:53:54 GMT
Tomeluk. We agree however that education is the best way to tackle the minority of anglers who are taking fish from our waters to eat. However as we’ve said before we are only a small team and we simply don’t have the time to be able to go to all of the community groups and talk to them directly. What we have been doing is taking our posters out about needing a rod licence and returning fish after capture to Eastern European supermarkets. I noticed from your posts that you’ve done a bit of research into where these groups are. As this is pretty new to all of us and we’re by no means the experts, how would you spread the word? If we’re suggesting going and talking to these groups how would you feel about getting involved in that with some support from us? Peter Mischenko I would be happy to try to assist Pete. I don`t think it would be necessary to speak to large numbers of groups. It would mean a filtering exercise so that the groups containing immigrants could be identified and contacted. As I said earlier I believe that they stick together in communities at present and also they take up certain types of employment, often using labour agencies. I do think a plan could be put together to identify them which would possibly snowball through their communities resulting in invites to their meetings where a Power Point Presentation could be put together. |
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Post by envagencyyorkshire on Sept 8, 2011 12:58:44 GMT
Tomeluk
PM me your details and I'll get in touch over the next few days.
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 13:18:09 GMT
Tomeluk PM me your details and I'll get in touch over the next few days. Pete PM Sent |
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Post by NickLynch on Sept 8, 2011 14:10:49 GMT
Why don't the EA produce standard signs for still waters? A sign (by order of the EA) that clearly states you are breaking the law by taking fish will be sufficient enough to then prosecute, no excuses.
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