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Post by anthonyglossop on Feb 25, 2011 20:40:51 GMT
just a question of intrest really do enviroment agency check private ponds or just local ponds ? any help would be great.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 21:07:45 GMT
just a question of intrest really do enviroment agency check private ponds or just local ponds ? any help would be great. A secondary and more worrying question is: Why do you need to know?
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Post by anthonyglossop on Feb 25, 2011 21:10:29 GMT
just a question of intrest really do enviroment agency check private ponds or just local ponds ? any help would be great. A secondary and more worrying question is: Why do you need to know? its a arguement am having with a mate he says they cant visit private ponds i say they can ?
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Post by scott micklethwaite on Feb 25, 2011 21:13:50 GMT
As far as i know they can go anywhere they want
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Post by anthonyglossop on Feb 25, 2011 21:15:01 GMT
As far as i know they can go anywhere they want thanks scott i thought they could
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 21:26:58 GMT
As far as i know they can go anywhere they want thanks scott i thought they could I think that anybody can ask you to produce a valid licence to fish. Anybody means Environment Officers, Bailiffs, Police, Water owners and fellow anglers. I would like it to become an offence for water owners to sell tickets to anglers who cannot produce a licence. Some will say this is difficult to impose but owners do not seem to have any difficulty collecting our money.
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Post by anthonyglossop on Feb 25, 2011 21:28:40 GMT
thanks scott i thought they could I think that anybody can ask you to produce a valid licence to fish. Anybody means Environment Officers, Bailiffs, Police, Water owners and fellow anglers. I would like it to become an offence for water owners to sell tickets to anglers who cannot produce a licence. Some will say this is difficult to impose but owners do not seem to have any difficulty collecting our money. i totally agree with you on that
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Post by scott micklethwaite on Feb 25, 2011 21:33:30 GMT
i agree as well don't see why people don't go get 1 they don;t cost much
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Post by Darren on Feb 25, 2011 22:05:10 GMT
I think the environment agency can check any water they wish, I'll let our person from the EA answer this one in due course as they've just signed up to the forums, but probably wont read this until they're back at work on Monday.
Daz.
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Post by tyke66 on Feb 25, 2011 23:31:28 GMT
thanks scott i thought they could I think that anybody can ask you to produce a valid licence to fish. Anybody means Environment Officers, Bailiffs, Police, Water owners and fellow anglers. I would like it to become an offence for water owners to sell tickets to anglers who cannot produce a licence. Some will say this is difficult to impose but owners do not seem to have any difficulty collecting our money. Spot on tomeluk, it's an offence to fish anywhere - public or private - without a rod licence and EA Bailiffs have the power to go onto private land to check rod licences, as do the police. Water owners certainly have the power and as a rod licence holder you are within your rights to show a fellow angler your licence and request that they produce theirs. Agree 100% with what you say about making it an offence for owners to sell a ticket to a non licenced angler. I bailiff on a local council owned water and we always ask to see the licences of any new faces there before we issue a day ticket. Anyone applying for a season ticket must produce their licence at the time of application also.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 7:07:15 GMT
Not quite sure they do have power to go onto private land, I'm sure they need the owners permission to enter the land, yes they can check ANY water for anglers rod license(even your garden pond if you fish it ), I'm sure a couple of years ago a landowner banned the EA from trespassing as they fell out over something. As for owners checking licenses before selling them a ticket, sorry i don't agree, likewise tackle shops checking before selling you any gear(those that may remember you used to be able to get your ticket in the tackle shops and the odd fishery but this was removed by the EA as they wanted to keep more of the profit then allow others to gain a little on it), why should they its not a nanny state as yet . it would be the same if you were going to get fuel, you have to show your license, tax, insurance to make sure you are legal to drive on the road with their fuel. if the owners also checked then the EA would dispose of all the bailiffs as they would not be needed anymore, so they would have more money to release Otters into our systems sorry just looked to find if the EA can enter private land without permission and found this NO LICENSE NEEDED TO FISH THIS TROUT WATERleft hand side half way down the page, how are they getting away with this then
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Post by gazmc on Feb 26, 2011 9:32:53 GMT
I know there are members of the Ea on the site as i spoke to one last year so maybe letting us know would be good. I got checked last year for my licence by the Ea on a private estate lake not open to the general public and you need to pay to look around the grounds. I was surprised to see them but didn't have to worry as i always have a licence.
Gaz
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Post by jonkwl on Feb 26, 2011 10:06:14 GMT
left hand side half way down the page, how are they getting away with this then Iam 100% positive EA Bailiffs need prior permission before entering privite land. As for Chatton Trout Fishery you dont need a license as its fed from the river Till which is a tributary of the River Tweed in Scotland so the water is classed as Scottish water so you dont need an EA license. I know that sounds mad but iam sure that is the case, i cant find any proof to on the web to back me up though Jon
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 11:10:13 GMT
As for owners checking licenses before selling them a ticket, sorry i don't agree, likewise tackle shops checking before selling you any gear( if the owners also checked then the EA would dispose of all the bailiffs as they would not be needed anymore, so they would have more money to release Otters into our systems
It could also mean more money for improvements to waterways. If a person is attempting to fish a water then there is no reason that they could not be asked to produce their licence(s). If someone is attempting to purchase angling goods from a tackle shop there is no reason they should be asked to produce a licence. They could be a none angler buying presents for friends or family.
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Post by Warden on Feb 26, 2011 11:32:37 GMT
I do not know what the official response is .......but when a (hypothetical) water was asked by their landlords to sign up to their bailiffs checking for licenses the (hypothetical) advice from the EA was on no account sign up for it,we have to supply our Bailiffs with stab vests (not just to keep them warm either) to ask club bailiffs who are most usually pensioners or Disabled people doing it for the love of their club to deal with some of the cretins that make the stab vests necessary is beyond belief it always amazes me how every time this subject comes up that people seem to think its s OK
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Post by hammy on Feb 26, 2011 11:50:50 GMT
I bet they don't buy many stab vests then considering you rarely see a EA bailiff.
Hammy.
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Post by Warden on Feb 26, 2011 12:07:13 GMT
We had one at New Biggin a few weeks ago, Still they know where they are safe
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Post by hammy on Feb 26, 2011 12:11:07 GMT
Cheers Phil. How are you keeping mate.
Hammy.
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Post by Warden on Feb 26, 2011 12:35:55 GMT
Three weeks on from my elbow operation ,slow but getting there,probably be a while yet before I can get the tackle out which is a bit of a bind now the Sun is coming out.
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Post by ryan123 on Feb 26, 2011 14:20:23 GMT
I have actually had my license checked by Police Officers before... In fact, its more often than Ihave been checked by an EAbailiff... I would love fishery owners to refuse to let anyone fish their ponds without a rod license. Bet it's quite surprising how many illegal anglers there actually are
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Post by Eyghon on Feb 26, 2011 17:13:07 GMT
This topic comes round every year and my views are still the same. Fishery owners\Bailiffs are not going to check for Licences for two reasons, 1) Fear, 2) Income. I think the only way Owners would enforce the Licence is if THEY were fined if anyone was caught using a Licence at their venue. BUT......it has already been mentioned that EA Bailiffs have to wear stab vests these days and I doubt many Anglers would risk asking to see a Licence, the chances are if they don't pay £27 (which is exceptional value) for a Licence then they are probably low life from the Criminal fraternity and wouldn't think twice about getting aggressive when asked for a Licence. I would ask to see a Licence if I knew I would come out on top if it got rough or if outnumbered that I had support of fellow Anglers. Maybe the EA should look at setting up a Volunteer Bailiff force, I'd be happy to give up a few days a month, maybe if you Volunteer you get your Licence for free and they pay for fuel. They could also look at outsourcing to Security Companies as well but I'm guessing that would need a change of law like when they brought in private wheel clamping. I know we have a few Fishery owners\Bailiffs on here and I'd like to hear their "honest" views about them being required to see a Licence before issuing a ticket\permit.
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Post by willothewisp on Feb 26, 2011 18:14:34 GMT
Guys: Google "Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act 1975", then check section 32 under heading "Power to enter lands". So yes, bailiffs can enter ANY lands adjoining or near waters, other than the curtilage (immediate garden area) of a private dwelling, or lands/decoys used exclusively for preservation of wild fowl. And NO, an ordinary angler no longer has any legal authority to ask to see another angler's licence. This former section authority in section 35 or the 1975 Act, was abolished by the 2009 Marine and Costal Access Act. It was a very useful right for fishery owners and club bailiffs, and many, like me, don't agree with it, but that's the law.
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Post by Eyghon on Feb 26, 2011 20:35:00 GMT
I can't say I'm shocked at that to be honest, asking for some low life's Licence would no doubt be in breach of their human rights and very upsetting for them Going on what you've just said even a Fishery owner\Bailiff has no right to ask for a Licence which means basically the Law is an Ass
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Post by jerseyman on Feb 27, 2011 20:41:21 GMT
Scotland aren't part of the EA, so that why the water fed by the Tweed [on the scottish side,] doesn't require an EA licence.
EA Officals .we all would prefer more, but all i seem to see is people complaining how much it costs versus what we get back
£30 for 2 rods,or £60 for 4 for the year? its fairly cheap. France for example is 90euros for 4 rods and if you want to fish matches add another 80. thats before you add any club tickets,
though to be fair, a private landlocked water[most commercial carp waters] do not require a amppa licence.
The bit about the coastal bill, didn't know that, and to be honest, who cares, i will still ask to see any ones ticket on club waters, I pay, and i am not going to let some one get it for free. The clubs i belong to in the uk, have baliff's tel no's for this very reason, and if the "member" in question didn't have a valid ea card to go with it, i would call them as well.
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Post by BOF on Feb 27, 2011 21:05:42 GMT
But on the other hand is it not the case that all waters that have running water into / out of are public access, ie no private syndicates? BOF
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Post by feldyourno1 on Feb 27, 2011 22:09:49 GMT
I've have had my license checked a couple of times,well, was it, really checked or did they look at me, my tackle then my license, which is flimsy, battered and generally not looking legitimate!! but not being prejudice the two EA bailiffs satisfied my license was legitimate went straight round the lake to a guy and his family (Son 20, Son 16, Daughter 10), and grilled them for about 10 Min's, quizzing them about all kinds (Ages, addresses, tackle shops), In fact they pressured them that much they packed up and left. sorry state of affairs. after the grilling they gave the family, the 2 EA bailiffs walked past Approx 20 Match anglers, not asking a single one if they had a License. makes me really mad. That just because individuals have a bit of gear they get left alone.
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Post by willothewisp on Feb 27, 2011 22:36:30 GMT
feldyourno1: Why did the family leave? Could it be 'cos they had no licences to show and the bailiffs were questioning them to check if they had licences, and on finding no licences, booked them and told them to pack up? And were the matchmen regulars already known to the bailiffs? Could be! I don't mind being checked, but hate it (mildly!) near the very end of a match when I'm chasing every last fish. But from comments here, it seems the bailiffs just can't win no matter what they do!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 22:52:33 GMT
I've have had my license checked a couple of times,well, was it, really checked or did they look at me, my tackle then my license, which is flimsy, battered and generally not looking legitimate!! but not being prejudice the two EA bailiffs satisfied my license was legitimate went straight round the lake to a guy and his family (Son 20, Son 16, Daughter 10), and grilled them for about 10 Min's, quizzing them about all kinds (Ages, addresses, tackle shops), In fact they pressured them that much they packed up and left. sorry state of affairs. after the grilling they gave the family, the 2 EA bailiffs walked past Approx 20 Match anglers, not asking a single one if they had a License. makes me really mad. That just because individuals have a bit of gear they get left alone. You do not get pressured if you have a licence, you produce-- end of story - It really is that simple. They left because the licence(s) they had did not cover the rods in the water or indeed any rods. I have seen it before and had it explained to me by an EA official. If the angler cannot produce a licence he is asked for identification and his address. The Ea official then rings up the EA on the mobile phone to verify if there is a valid licence issued to that person at that address. Usually the dodger realises that the game is up and packs up and goes. The agent however has taken down the reg numbers, make and colour of all the cars in the car park. When the perp leaves, hurredly, they note which car it is and do a trace via the DVLA (another government agency). RESULT. TRACED AND FINED. Moral. Buy a licence and stop cheating us all.
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Post by Warden on Feb 28, 2011 8:02:18 GMT
I've have had my license checked a couple of times,well, was it, really checked or did they look at me, my tackle then my license, which is flimsy, battered and generally not looking legitimate!! but not being prejudice the two EA bailiffs satisfied my license was legitimate went straight round the lake to a guy and his family (Son 20, Son 16, Daughter 10), and grilled them for about 10 Min's, quizzing them about all kinds (Ages, addresses, tackle shops), In fact they pressured them that much they packed up and left. sorry state of affairs. after the grilling they gave the family, the 2 EA bailiffs walked past Approx 20 Match anglers, not asking a single one if they had a License. makes me really mad. That just because individuals have a bit of gear they get left alone. the 2 EA bailiffs walked past Approx 20 Match anglers, not asking a single one if they had a License.
i have fished for clubs that have asked for a address and license number,these have been kept by the sec,and given to EA bailifs (who you do get to know on certain waters) who then just check on their laptop? and do not have to bother any of the match anglers,a purly volentary thing but it saves your match being affected by clopmping boots going from peg to peg, helpful hint.put your license number into your mobile then if you lose/forget it you still have proof of it.
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Post by jerseyman on Mar 2, 2011 20:00:36 GMT
But on the other hand is it not the case that all waters that have running water into / out of are public access, ie no private syndicates? BOF Seems to be yes and no Bof, Few lakes round St Malo, have streams in and out, but are run by the local village club, but they do allow day tickets. Seen a few private waters with inlets and out lets but sluices on, and that seems to be alright to make it private? weird, but its France ,and to be expected, get on well with the local mayor, and its amazing what you can get done. Funny though the Garde de Peche dont seem to have trouble keeping things under control, mind they have got a great big gun on their belt
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