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Post by guvnor on Aug 10, 2015 15:33:43 GMT
So the virus is at kippax polo! Well done Leeds! Could of been prevented surly with a cheap dippin net!!! Also why have they only closed knotford and sandwith? I would of fort to close kippax park and carp vale! Money talks! So glad I'm not a member anymore! Pee up in brewery springs to mind!!!
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Post by grahampark on Aug 10, 2015 16:09:13 GMT
Maybe if you had a read up on the subject you may not be so quick to be a critic.
KHV is a virus that lives in the DNA of most carp and may never become active, when it doe's this is what happens
We are currently being advised by CEFAS who will visit us again this week, they also visited Kippax Park with us last week and are happy we stay open provided we follow a biosecurity program, Moor Monkton Pools will follow the same program.
Regards
Graham
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Post by danpy on Aug 10, 2015 16:25:27 GMT
What does a biosecurity programme involve....please don't say dipping your net in disinfectant
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Post by suggsy on Aug 10, 2015 16:38:45 GMT
Wiping yer feet on way in
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Post by guvnor on Aug 10, 2015 20:20:58 GMT
Just saying graham, if that was my club water I would have put a net dip in place before now , all commercials should have them,carp are expensive as there eggs don't do quite well, just seems u av left carp vale as it's a day ticket water!
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Post by suggsy on Aug 10, 2015 20:44:28 GMT
I've just googled it. Apparantly a form of herpes. Hardly surprising in kippax. Probably some scrote been for a swim after royal oaks closed.
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Post by paulcarp on Aug 10, 2015 21:31:05 GMT
That is not funny Suggsy do you like going fishing if so take it more serious this out break of KHV could stop you from going fishing!!!
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Post by suggsy on Aug 10, 2015 22:10:58 GMT
Get a grip.
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Post by grahampark on Aug 10, 2015 22:16:31 GMT
It's you who needs to get a grip
Kippax polo pond is not a commercial fishery so your statement is incorrect
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Post by suggsy on Aug 10, 2015 23:21:52 GMT
Pardon. And what statement was that. I made a joke or at least tried to. That's what's wrong wi folk nowadays. There's no fun in em. Saying no more on matter. Hope yer fishery recovers. And as for you paul.
Don't take what I say seriously. I'm havin a laugh. But believe me a few carp puddles going down won't stop me fishing. Goodnight vienna
Kippax whites rule. Mot
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Post by danpy on Aug 11, 2015 6:54:48 GMT
Khv could wipe out all the mud pigs in Britain for all I care....there's too many carp in too many waters....and I believe Khv outbreak's is a result of too many grossly overstocked muddy puddles where fish swim around in there own  all day eating spam and sweetcorn butties of the top...ha |
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Post by guvnor on Aug 11, 2015 15:54:17 GMT
Keep ya wig on Paul! An graham it's probably yor fault!
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Post by grahampark on Aug 11, 2015 16:20:53 GMT
Of course it's my fault, I signed the cheque when we bought the carp in the first place
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Post by guvnor on Aug 11, 2015 17:50:46 GMT
I was under the assumption that prevention is better and cheaper than the cure! Just admit it graham uv dropped a scollop! Excuse the pun
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Post by grahampark on Aug 11, 2015 18:28:02 GMT
There is no cure or any blame
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Post by guvnor on Aug 11, 2015 19:09:00 GMT
Does a dippin barrel prevent such disease?
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Post by grahampark on Aug 11, 2015 19:34:37 GMT
No would be the answer to that, the disease or virus is in the dna of the fish, the only thing that can be done once it has become active is prevent the spreading of the virus.
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Post by gazh1 on Aug 12, 2015 6:08:24 GMT
I fail to see anything funny at all whatsoever in the death of lots of carp. Especially when it occurs on my favourite venue. There's a time and a place for comedy and this thread certainly isn't it. I suppose for some though any excuse whatsoever to have a go at the club and its officials will do.
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Post by danpy on Aug 12, 2015 6:59:34 GMT
So leeds have a lovely pond full of coarse fish with very few carp....not the end of the world....in any case sandwath carp are now starting to blossom lots of doubles and very nice looking due to the clear water they live in.....I hope when the problem is over leeds don't just buy hundreds more little pasty carp if any wants to catch them Kippax park is just over the road....why not a few hundred tench they seem to do well in the polo but there's not that many....a pond full of tench and coarse fish with hardly any carp are in short supply these days....just like sandWath used to be
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Post by grahampark on Aug 12, 2015 7:12:02 GMT
That is exactly the type of pond we would hope to have after this episode, however no fish can be stocked for probably two years, nothing in and nothing out
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Post by Rushy on Aug 12, 2015 8:37:59 GMT
So leeds have a lovely pond full of coarse fish with very few carp....not the end of the world....in any case sandwath carp are now starting to blossom lots of doubles and very nice looking due to the clear water they live in.....I hope when the problem is over leeds don't just buy hundreds more little pasty carp if any wants to catch them Kippax park is just over the road....why not a few hundred tench they seem to do well in the polo but there's not that many....a pond full of tench and coarse fish with hardly any carp are in short supply these days....just like sandWath used to be My thoughts entirely Dan although I'm a bit bemused by the thread title , WELL DONE LEEDS ........ seems a bit confrontational ? I can guarantee we (Leeds and Distict ASA ) don't have any Marie Curie or Alexander Fleming types hidden under the Anglers club with petri dishes and litmus paper inventing new strains of fish disease !! This subject is very complex and I for one know very little about it but a few points worth considering : 1. The virus wasn't invented by Leeds and put in Polo , it has arrived there by some other means 2. Leeds has over 1500 members and growing , most of whom are probably members of other clubs and who most certainly fish other commercials. They fish other waters with the same keepnets , landing nets and wellys / footwear. 3. When I used to fish commercials there seemed to be more without dipping tanks than with 4. Yes a dipping tank would surely offer some benefit but I also understand that for a dipping tank to be fully effective your net should be submerged for twenty minutes or so. Then what about the water in the stink bag from last weeks outing / match ? 5. We have resident ducks and a heron at Polo . I'm sure they are whizzing aroud all the other commercials in search of a tasty morsel or two. Hope they have a bath in the dipping tank before they enter Polo. 6. I don't suppose any local residents have got a bit fed up with the odd Koi Carp over the years and thought "Mmm, I know a nice pond they would have a good life in " and so the potential sources of the virus go on ............ As Graham says , we have taken and are taking all the relevant steps and procedures under the guidance of the EA and CEFAS to enable us to move forward. This has included a "risk assesment" of other Leeds waters and again with advice from CEFAS we have not deemed it necessary to close KP and MMP. Likewise , I strongly suspect all the other commercial fishery owners within a 30 mile radius have undertaken their own risk assesments and I don't see any of them closing the fisheries down ! We can but learn from this disastrous , unfortunate event but these things happen. Again , as Graham mentions we will be putting biosecurity programs into place and these will be rather more substantial than a plastic bucket with dettol in ! At the end of the day , it is up to ALL anglers that fish commercial type fisheries to look after the future of their own sport by being meticulous with cleanliness of all their fishing gear as a "Can't be bothered / I don't care " apathetic attitude to this disease can result in disastrous consequences as we have seen. At least Leeds have learned from this unfortunate experience and have taken immediate steps to try and rectify it and prevent further incidents. Maybe the thread title is not so confrontational after all ................ WELL DONE LEEDS !!! Tight lines Rushy |
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Post by drunkenmaster76 on Aug 12, 2015 13:52:45 GMT
I'm not sure why there is the suggestion that only commercials need dipping tanks. My experience is that all significant carp fisheries in the area e.g. ladywood and millfield to name but two all have this facility.
As stated by Rushy, net dipping is not a save all, but I think its a case of every little helps. In my opinion it's a process that all fisheries should enforce. It just takes one outbreak to kill a fisheries reputation and its main assets.
I suspect there are quite a few members of Leeds quite pleased with what this outbreak. Seems like carpers have been getting squeezed out of polo for some time with the dropping of night permits etc.
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Post by Rushy on Aug 18, 2015 22:07:18 GMT
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Post by grandadb on Aug 20, 2015 20:22:22 GMT
Any update on the other fisheries ( sandwath in particular) re bio security measures in place and likely re-opening ? Realise this might not be a 2 minute job but wondered if an estimated date was now known.
Echo all the comments re Polo , have only fished it a few times but it is a tidy little water and sadly missed from the circuit. Hope the chickens have immunity to any viruses kicking about !!!
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Post by grahampark on Aug 20, 2015 21:26:26 GMT
As previously stated in another thread both Sandwath and Knotford will re-open on Saturday 22nd, please use the dip tanks and note keepnets are not allowed at anytime.
Regards
Graham
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Post by BOF on Aug 21, 2015 9:37:37 GMT
Guys its clear that most anglers dont understand that Koi Herpes Virus is already in a large proportion of the UK Carp stocks, the Polo's fish included, most likely introduced by the stocking of new fish, (pasty size Carp, F1's, and Ornamentals in particular). So, if I understand a little of the subject, (and I am NOT a Vet so please forgive me if I get parts of this wrong), it does little harm if the fish is fit, and its immune system is working up to scratch. The problem comes when the immune system drops below par, which happens at certain times of the year, notably during the spawning period. Even if the fish do not actually spawn their bodies go through certain changes. These allow the dormant KHV to begin multiplying, until a critical level is reached where the fish's defenses are overcome, and they begin to get very sick indeed, sometimes dying. No net dip will prevent this! What a net dip can do, if it is maintained correctly, is prevent the casual introduction of live bugs to a water that has not had any new stocks of fish that have the KHV in them. The title of this post may have been sarcastic in it's origin, but actually I do say well done Leeds, for acting promptly when the KHV was diagnosed, and taking the correct action to shut down the waters. I would like to point out however, on the subject of dipping nets, it is the responsibility of every angler to dissinfect their own nets at home, not just to rely on the dips provided at a venue. We can do this at a bare minimum by drying them out completely after use, or by treating them with stuff like Jeys fluid first, before drying them out. BOF  |
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Post by grandadb on Aug 23, 2015 10:09:00 GMT
Thanks for update Graham and apologies if I missed it on other threads , I was watching this one as it seemed to be the hottest on the topic. Anyhow good News , Thanks again.
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Post by guvnor on Aug 25, 2015 13:24:28 GMT
We'll done Leeds!
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Post by suggsy on Aug 25, 2015 14:48:02 GMT
Thought they wa against Wednesday |
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Post by danpy on Aug 25, 2015 18:00:27 GMT
Ye and Wednesdays goal was my grandadb could have scored that...haha |
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