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Post by jimlad on Jan 10, 2013 17:00:05 GMT
Think you hit the nail on the head when you used the word balanced. Pike stocks have a habit of being cyclical, at times a load of jacks will abound before cannibalism sets in, then you will get a small head of larger pike. Eventually they should balance their own levels out in terms of prey available.
Interestingly, mick brown has done some pike management in the past with success. Owners have complained to him a about pike eating cygnets etc, due to low fish stocks. As such he's caught and moved them to waters asking for pike levels to increase. But I think it's a risky business stocking pike
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Post by woodchucker on Jan 10, 2013 17:03:38 GMT
You can buy Pike so somebody must be stocking them  |
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Post by jimlad on Jan 10, 2013 17:09:10 GMT
True!
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Post by ilikefishing on Jan 10, 2013 20:07:43 GMT
The predator- prey relationship means there needs to be lots of prey fish and far fewer predtors. If you increase the number of predators i.e pike you will obviously reduce the number of prey fish. So less prey fish means the pike will die off because there are no more prey fish for them to eat!
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Post by walta on Jan 10, 2013 20:33:28 GMT
a load of the big old girls, have become the size they are due, to eating jacks. often problems come about when the big pike are re-located. this often causes an explosion of jacks,usually this is when the problems arise.
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Post by ilikefishing on Jan 11, 2013 18:52:49 GMT
Not sure how you would go about proving that they are that size due to eating jacks walta!
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Post by walta on Jan 11, 2013 19:16:35 GMT
Not sure how you would go about proving that they are that size due to eating jacks walta! i did,nt mean theyve become that size due to eating jacks alone. a few of the bigger pike will take some of the smaller ones,(this is well documented),thus helping keep the numbers of smaller pike in check. ive heard of a few waters, where the bigger pike have been re-located.this has upset the balance. |
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Post by ilikefishing on Jan 11, 2013 19:27:21 GMT
Surely they can get as much nutrition eating chub, carp, tench,roach, grayling etc. I would also bet a roach lure has taken more pike than a young jack imitation - but like your post not sure you can prove or disprove that either.
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Post by walta on Jan 11, 2013 19:41:29 GMT
ilikefishing, i agree with what your saying,i have asked the same questions myself. from what ive read and been told by more experienced pikers,this is what im inclined to believe. ive also heard how big pike do get terratorial,especially round back end of february when they are ready to spawn.
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Post by ilikefishing on Jan 11, 2013 20:16:28 GMT
Don't you mean how big they get seasonally rather than territorially walta?
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Post by woodchucker on Jan 11, 2013 20:33:26 GMT
Some of my best lures are pike pattern lures, I rate them highly especially during per and post spawning |
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Post by ilikefishing on Jan 11, 2013 20:45:55 GMT
Maybe -but I bet roach patterns outfish them nationwide - if indeed they go for the pattern at all in preference to shape, size, depth fished or action on the lure.
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