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Post by sheff46 on Sept 30, 2012 7:54:15 GMT
could some one Identifiy this fish for me n my son plz. caught out off local pond..
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Post by Eyghon on Oct 1, 2012 19:27:45 GMT
Not really sure on the fish but Please never hold any fish in a towel as this will remove their protective slime.
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Post by Danny on Oct 1, 2012 20:03:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 20:30:02 GMT
Not really sure on the fish but Please never hold any fish in a towel as this will remove their protective slime. Here here - always handle them with wet hands where you can and with/or over a well wetted unhooking mat That my friend, is most definitely an Albino Grass Carp At first glance i had to do a double take as i thought it was a Chub, but its pectoral fins are far too long and pointed and the fishes Dorsal is also too far forward for it to be a Chub - on a Chub the leading ray of the dorsal fin begins in line with the rear base (Final Ray) of the fishes Pelvic fins, indeed in the photo the fin is much further forward, beginning well before even the leading ray of the pelvic fins. Because it is a small example, it has not yet developed the bulbous snout associated with the species. Indeed Chub and Grass Carp are very close relatives and they are much more alike when the latter is smaller. These are an ornamental species
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Post by woody on Oct 1, 2012 20:30:45 GMT
I looks like a small albino grass carp, albino something, hee hee
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 20:33:50 GMT
By the way - if by some miracle you catch it again, take a couple of good photos of the shape of the fishes Dorsal, Pelvic, Anal and Caudal (tail) fins, fully splayed out as there are slight differences with those of the Chub.
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Post by woody on Oct 1, 2012 20:34:31 GMT
Its got a thick wrist across the tail like a orfe but the dorsel look's too far forward
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Post by beachball on Oct 2, 2012 12:09:29 GMT
As everyone has said don't use a cloth to handle the fish as for what it is for my money it's a Golden Orfe probably about 2years old it'll thinken out and the colour will get brighter as it gets older. regards Malc.
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Post by jdcalling on Oct 2, 2012 17:43:15 GMT
Dan, that is a very impressive fish Id!!! I'm still struggling with dace n chublets!!!!! I did however think it was an orfe ..... Good stuff
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Post by donkeydoo on Oct 2, 2012 17:56:37 GMT
I would bet money that its an orfe hybrid i have had similar in my pnd at home alas not as big i think is a good chance of orfe and dace
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 18:01:37 GMT
As everyone has said don't use a cloth to handle the fish as for what it is for my money it's a Golden Orfe probably about 2years old it'll thinken out and the colour will get brighter as it gets older. regards Malc. Orfe are born the colour they are. Colour doesn't become more vivid with age. It just appears to because they are bigger and there's physically more of the individual fish. The only real way you can 'make' an orange coloured ornamental fish become more vivid is by feeding it food rich in carotene. This is the same pigment that makes Carrots orange i believe. This is why over time, if not fed properly, 'goldfish' per se, e.g. Goldfish, Orfe and Koi can gradually revert back to their natural colour over time and with breeding. Dan, that is a very impressive fish Id!!! I'm still struggling with dace n chublets!!!!! I did however think it was an orfe ..... Good stuff Dace and Chub are easy to tell apart. Dace are a much more 'athletic' fish - i.e. More streamlined and less bulky. Their mouths are completely different even at a couple of inches long. The biggest giveaway though is the fishes Dorsal and Anal fins Chub = They are convex, Dace = They are concave I would bet money that its an orfe hybrid i have had similar in my pnd at home alas not as big i think is a good chance of orfe and dace How much would you like to bet? Whilst it is possible for most species of Cyprinid to Hybridise, i would suggest it is enormously unlikely Orfe, which are actually for all intents and purposes genetically identical to Ide ( Leuciscus idus ) would hybridise with Dace ( Leuciscus leuciscus ). Firstly, on most river systems they are unlikely to come in to contact as the former, Ide will usually not be present and if they are it will be in very low numbers and we can all but rule out hybridisation occuring elsewhere, i.e. in a stillwater as the latter, Dace are very rarely found in stillwater. Thus in my opinion it is safe to conclude that it is virtually impossible for the hybrid you have suggested to occur outside a laboratory. If you are feeling scientific i did find a snippet from a paper on Spontaneous Gynogenisis in Ide here Here is a video of your culprits - They are, it would appear a popular ornamental fish. Another thing you can do Sheff46, is if by some co-incidence you catch it again - pluck a scale off it with a pair of tweezers, place it in a brown envelope and send to the EA for Analysis. That's if your that bothered - you needn't be: I promise you lads, it's a grass Carp
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Post by compo on Oct 8, 2012 14:14:33 GMT
its got the shape of a grass carp so could be a albino grass carp
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Post by liftbite on Sept 10, 2014 20:23:47 GMT
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Post by liftbite on Sept 10, 2014 20:27:08 GMT
Can anyone tell me what fish the above fish is caught it this evening but no idea what it might be. My first thought was a stone loach then changed to salmon par or char,it was definitely not a trout
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Post by Phil Arnott on Sept 10, 2014 21:58:10 GMT
A poor shot but it exhibits some characteristics of a salmon par - long pectoral, one large spot on gill cover and no apparent red on adipose fin.
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Post by liftbite on Sept 11, 2014 6:21:43 GMT
I only had one go at the shot phil as I was weary to take the shot with being in the water,I have had mishaps with phones and water before.
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Post by naf on Sept 11, 2014 6:22:02 GMT
I did cheat and google images of salmon par but would definitely agree
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Post by liftbite on Sept 11, 2014 7:36:36 GMT
Cheers guys I've googled it myself & it was definitely a salmon par that's 3 pb's this season. Does that count as a salmon then if so only one more species to get & that's a zander.
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Post by crofton blade on Sept 11, 2014 14:55:22 GMT
Counts as a salmon for me even though I thought it looked like a pihanna!
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Post by beachball on Sept 11, 2014 15:07:37 GMT
Counts as a salmon for me even though I thought it looked like a pihanna! Lol don't be daft everyone knows piranha come from around magna glow in the dark have fish fingers and eats tin cans lol
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Post by tashsmith on Sept 16, 2014 5:31:14 GMT
Looks like a minnow to me lol
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