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Post by tommy1 on Dec 24, 2012 12:48:08 GMT
The more the better until anglers realise you need a license. Bit like having a car with no road tax!
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Post by Eyghon on Dec 24, 2012 19:14:18 GMT
Anybody know what proposals the EA are currently considering for the Licence? If they change from the current two rods per licence they would surely cut their already low budget even further?, if they move to a 3 rod licence I do hope that doesn't mean everyone will be paying more. Glad to see more prosecutions taking place, I think it's the tip of the ice-burg though and many more will get away with it
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Post by nightwatchman © on Dec 25, 2012 18:43:43 GMT
Reading between the lines craig, the proposal is you buy the normal license that allows up to 2 rods but for a small fee e.g. ï¿¡10 you can add another rod. But still a year away so things may change?
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Post by Eyghon on Dec 25, 2012 20:44:23 GMT
Which means their funding is gonna drop by £17 from everyone that uses 3 rods, they will have to get that money back somehow, they are under funded as it is
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Post by musselman on Dec 25, 2012 21:18:37 GMT
But might it not encourage those who currently only have one licence, but fish three rods?
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Post by brassneck on Dec 25, 2012 22:17:24 GMT
Had my licence checked last week for the first time in 4 years.
Good to finally see another EA bailiff!
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Post by musselman on Dec 25, 2012 22:45:31 GMT
When he read the name on your licence, did he ask for your autograph and a photo with you? ;D
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Post by nightwatchman © on Dec 26, 2012 6:34:09 GMT
Thats my way of thinking Tony I'd imagine they'd have done their homework on this as they still need to make profits so they can reinvest?
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Post by Eyghon on Dec 26, 2012 13:05:17 GMT
Yeah there is that I guess, I'm sure they must have thought it through.
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Post by Derek Pye on Dec 27, 2012 10:06:54 GMT
Having followed the comments on this thread, there are some I agree with, and others are just the usual EA bashing nonsense.
As someone who has sought and received financial assistance from them, I think that the EA like the rest of us are far from perfect, but also often falsely maligned.
You can only ever speak honestly from personal experience, and as an Official of H&DAA I first sought grants from the EA to assist with Otter fencing in early 2010. Since then we have received grants of £10,000 & £11,000 toward the cost of fencing the Brough Complex and the new Grebe Pool development. These figures represented approximately half the actual cost of the projects.
Also, under the EA's scheme to re invest some of their rod licence income in fishery improvements, we have received, this year, £3,500 for the installation of anti-cormorant refuges and a £1,500 grant to assist in building further toilet facilities at our Brandesburton Complex.
So money is available, but you have to apply and put yourself out to access the funding. Neither the EA nor any other organisation is going to come knocking on your door and write you a cheque.
There are problems, in that when otters were first becoming an issue on local fisheries, our grants amounted to half the actual cost of installation, it seems now that all funding has been reduced to 25% of the project costs, which will obviously slow down projects to protect venues, just when spread of otters is accelerating.
I also have a problem with the disproportionate amount of money spent on protection of Trout and Salmon fisheries as opposed to coarse angling still-waters, when you take into account the number of licence holders, etc.
As a carp angler, I would be in favour having one licence that covers me for the use of whatever number of rods the actual fishery owner allows. This is the case in Holland and Belgium, where I fish a fair bit, its generally 2 rods, but some privately owned waters allow up to 4 rods, and anglers only hold one permit.
rgds Derek
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Post by Shaun on Dec 27, 2012 10:28:10 GMT
I may be speaking out of turn here but i think if every body were to fish with up to 4 rods then surely that is going to put more pressure on the fish. In my opinion (and this is only my opinion) we all should only fish with 2 rods.
Shaun.
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Post by Derek Pye on Dec 27, 2012 10:43:16 GMT
Shaun I dont think you're speaking out of turn, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I think the use of 3 rods is fair enough on most reasonable sized venues. As each fishery is different in terms of size, stocking density, angler pressure, etc. The maximum number of rods anglers use, has be set by the owner or club/ syndicate who control the fishing. The problem is that the EA want anyone angler who fishes 3 rods to pay double, which seems unfair.
My own Association sensibly sets a maximum of 3 rods for members, many fish with only one rod and others two, but we only ask members to buy one permit.
The other problem for the EA is that they quote licence-holder numbers as if the figure represented the total number of freshwater anglers in the country. But, in reality those of us who hold two rod licences are counted as two anglers, inflating the figures. I think they also lump in the sales of 'day licences' which further inflates the perceived angler-numbers. rgds Derek
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Post by alarm on Dec 27, 2012 11:25:39 GMT
from reading this i am going to assume that all the comments are coming from either carp or pike anglers. the comment about the ea being unfair for anglers paying double to fish with 3 rods is equally unfair to the anglers who pay for a double rod licence and only ever fish with one. i regularly fish for carp in the summer and pike in the winter but only ever use 1 rod. i think's i'm being unfairly charged too. maybe a fairer system would be to charge every angler on a per rod basis, maybe something along the lines of £15 per rod. wouldn't that be fairer to everyone, regardless of what kind of fishing you do?
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Post by Derek Pye on Dec 27, 2012 11:35:46 GMT
Thats what they used to do, before we had a national rod licence. Not so long ago you had to buy one licence per rod for fishing in Yorkshire, then buy Anglian rod licences as soon as you crossed the Humber bridge, and and rod licences for every different water authority you fished in.
Derek
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Post by jdcalling on Dec 27, 2012 16:33:23 GMT
Just one thought on this.. Did 3 rods become the craze when due to the media induced "tactics" for carp fishing, ie camping and waiting etc, the big company's craved more money and realising the new tactics weren't as successful as they advertised decided they could sell more tackle if they said you "must" have 3 rods to be a propper carper??? I'm happy paying what I pay for one or sometimes 2 rods
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Post by alarm on Dec 29, 2012 13:57:10 GMT
hi derek, i didn't mean to go back to the old days where you needed a different licence to fish in different places, i simply meant to have a national licence for a single rod. that way, those who only fish with 1 rod would pay for 1, and those that use 3 would pay for 3 (instead of 4 which the carp/pike lads seem to object to).
alan
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Post by bennyboy on Dec 29, 2012 20:20:13 GMT
I think it may help if people who ran the waters where people were caught without a licence were punished too.surely it's not hard to ask to see for a licence when selling a day ticket or permit etc this would surely make more people get a licence .
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Post by willothewisp on Jan 7, 2013 22:19:00 GMT
I don't think for a minute Benny the fishery owners will want to check licenses. I've chatted to a few of them on this one. "Why should I do the EA's job for them?...I haven't time to check licenses too when going round the bank for their money,...What do I do if they haven't got one: I can't afford to turn away anglers...this is a tough business" kind of sums up the comments I've heard.
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